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Q: On what. If not on The Cookie Model So what do you rely on in this?
A: I say two things. First of all, regarding the Kishon trial, the fishermen in Kishon, I couldn't convince Judge Ron Shapira, I didn't. I tried, I was on the witness stand for 17 days and explained the things we were talking about. And then Ron Shapira writes, and rightly so, he writes that in order to identify, in order to identify a factor as a risk factor, one has to assess the conditions and conduct surveys and find the risk and confirm that it is a risk factor for cancer, this is the prospective, this is the risk, risk is always probabilistic, always always prospective. I said and I still say and I say the same thing retrospectively if you were exposed to a certain carcinogen, then it is more likely than not that it harmed you. Rather than benefit you, it has been of no use.
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A: Let's think together again. I'm explaining it maybe a fifth time today. Prospectively, there is a calculation of the probability of risk, RISKpercentages, simply morbidity percentages, prospective, in order to prove that a certain factor is carcinogenic, and by the way there are other criteria and other processes that I also wrote an article about of course, which are Hill's guidelinesYou'll probably want to get to that someday, so to determine that a certain substance that we didn't know anything about before is a carcinogen. I agree with everything you said. That's right. In order to determine that coffee can cause cancer, and this is a business that has been dealt with a lot by the way, and it has been proven that the opposite but not important, you have to go prospectively to calculate the risk, use all kinds of guidelines, and in the end IARC And he came ASTD As you said, and come EPA And so on, and they say, and they write after we have ruled out other factors, and CONFOUNDING And InteractionsAfter we have ruled out all possible things, this substance benzene is definitely carcinogenic and is allowed to be exposed to zero. So that's the risk determination, that's what you've been reading to me so far. This is the RISK, But apart from that there is an examination of an individual person retrospectively After he got sick