As for the deceased, the defendant claimed that he had never met him before, and that he did not know him at all.
According to him, "He filed a lawsuit against him in 2019, I happened to go to Moshe the day before the lawsuit to send a chance so Moshe brought me the lawsuit, he told me someone left it for you," and here, "In 2019 I filed in court, I didn't know what the lawsuit was about, I and the Carmel Slopes Committee as defendants, when we sat in court he claimed that I was an invader of the Toto lottery. [...] I didn't pay attention, it was written like this, that I was intruding into Moshe Asor's lottery and illegal construction. [...] I didn't know what the lawsuit was about, I've been there in the field for years, if I'm an invader I need to..." He met the deceased "only in this lawsuit about three times, and in the field we met about twice when the judge told us to go see the place. [...] Maybe five times I've met him. [...] Not only did I not meet him, even if you put all those five times together, we didn't talk for even half an hour. [...] I never had a conversation with him, I didn't talk to him, I personally didn't talk to him except for one conversation we had on the ground and in court what he says. [...] I never threatened him, I spoke to him, I think once there in an industrial zone, I didn't threaten him or say a word, nothing, never."
As stated, after being sued by the deceased, the defendant filed a lawsuit against the deceased, against the heirs, and against Dvir Amar. In this proceeding, according to the defendant's version, there was no quarrelling, especially since it was not possible to conduct the proceeding against Dvir Amar, who was in bankruptcy proceedings at the time. According to him, he never received the last lawsuit that the deceased filed against him in the District Court. He learned of the proceeding about four or five months after his arrest (on 26 March 2021). In his opinion, Adv. Moran Vaknin did everything possible to prevent him from receiving the claim, moreover, a request for a hearing was even filed behind closed doors so that others would not know about the lawsuit, but the request was denied. Attorney Arnon Savyon informed him of the existence of a decision in the lawsuit, and Attorney Eshet appealed to the Supreme Court, which ordered him, it was explained, to pay the costs.