Later on, he was asked explicitly how he could have executed a transaction if he had no connection to the affair, and he answered:
"Q. Eyal and Mazal claim that you negotiated and gave with them."Regarding the return of Hamel"VIII, Yes, If you don't know where Hamel is"8 Why should you carry and give with them??
- I played a game that I supposedly knew in order to get a deal for me and my son" (Peru' From the day 30.4.17 pp' 310 Shaw' 1-3).
"Q. You said in response to this question that you were questioned by the defense attorney, Why did you marry and give with Eyal and Mazal, You say you played a game that you supposedly know in order to get a deal for you and your son, It's true what you said?
- In court, yes.
- What game you played, explain to us?
- All the Mo"From. As if I knew where Hamel was hiding"VIII.
- And you didn't know where Amal was hidden."VIII?
- I didn't know the truth.
- It was a lie?
- Yes. As if I was playing to get the deal.
- You lied to them, daughter/172 You lied to them?
- Let's say yes.
- What do you mean, let's say yes??
- Yes, I played for them like I knew.
....
- I understand when you told Mazal that you transferred Amal"H to the North, It wasn't true, True?
- I didn't tell her that I had passed Amal"H to the North, She told me and I agreed with her".
(Pro. of May 8, 2017, questions 3-16, questions 25-27).
At this stage of his testimony, the defendant was asked by the court to explain his answers, and how, in the absence of knowledge about weapons, he saw fit to negotiate his return and reduce the sentences of those involved in the affair, and replied:
"To the court's question - if you didn't know where the weapons were hidden, what kind of negotiations it was, because in the end according to your version you have nothing to give them, then what kind of negotiations is this, I answer that maybe we would have reached a different deal. To the question of what other deal, the whole deal is about weapons, I answer that in my past when I made such deals, with the police, in this style. I personally had nothing to give in these negotiations.Personally, when I made similar deals, not with me but with other parties that we handed over weapons to the police, and we made a deal.