The defense reiterated the argument that the defendant did not make a claim for a different appeal and did not admit that he made a claim, but the witness reiterated that the defendant admitted to her that he made a different appeal and that all the things recorded in the memorandum were said by him: "... He admits it, he admits to me again on the 17th of July and also in this record of the 18th of July, that he gave a statement between himself and sent it to a friend or Ahmad or to say that he told them that he had given a bid" (p. 85, s. 339 ff.).
In this context, she added: "I can say what the defendant said to me. The defendant said to me in a very, very clear and clear way that he had given a waiver." (p. 86, paras. 29-30)
To the claim that the defendant had no idea how to join ISIS, the witness replied: "But he explained it himself. He said I gave a sale, and then I realized that this thing actually made me belong to the organization." (p. 88, paras. 31-33)
The investigator vehemently rejected the defense's claim that the security forces had planted the videos on the defendant's device: "... The web is blessed with lots and lots of videos... On the contrary, where it is possible, we try to take it down" (pp. 88, paras. 1-29). Later, she added that the entire ISA was recruited during an interrogation period for the task of locating the abductees, the bodies of the abductees, and fighting, so that it was certainly not available during this period or at all to "trap" anyone (ibid., paras. 22-33).
In her testimony, Aya described the manner in which the defendant gave his confession in making the statement and the context in which his words were made: At first, the defendant told her that after October 7, his mental state deteriorated and his ideological perception worsened: "After October 7, he made a statement and saw himself as belonging to the terrorist organization" (p. 92).
In her cross-examination, she explained that she had asked the defendant directly whether he had made a claim, in light of her experience that Da'ar'ar Shna operatives were carrying out a sit-in for ISIS, and in light of the relevance of her to a defendant suspected of being a different Da'ar'ar operative (pp. 94-95). Later, in response to questions from the defendant's counsel, she described a good dynamic during the interrogation, during which the defendant told her that he had made a statement, while clarifying that in her interrogations of the defendant he did not retract his confession that he had made the statement: "To me he did not retract his statement that he had made the statement" (p. 95, s. 13).