The defendant denied that he had told the investigator Regev that he supported a different appeal (p. 203), even though the relevant affidavit was submitted with consent and without Regev's interrogation. In this context, he did not know how to explain why the investigators Aya and Regev would bring up what he did not say with his own mouth, and why specifically what they raised, and he justified it with baseless speculation. Thus, for example, with regard to what he said and recorded in the memorandum of the investigator Aya:
"I don't know if she invented it or not, if she wrote it, didn't hear it right, I don't know..." (pp. 150, 159)
Despite the aforesaid, during his cross-examination, and in contrast to the main interrogation, the defendant knew how to explain about the statement, its significance and the way to carry it out. Thus, in an interrogation on September 7, 2025, to the question of how to join ISIS, he replied:
"... You contact them and tell them I want to, I want to join and that's it, and they check them like, if you're really a good fit for us, if you're okay and that's it. And in the end, they say the sentence of Aya, and that's it, the story is over" (p. 134).
The defendant also knew how to say the wording of the statement: "... I know people say I obey the Amir." Later, he confirmed to the plaintiff that if a different relationship is made with a different person and says "I swear to Amir," then they are considered a different activist (p. 134).
After one or two attempts to evade an answer, he explained that the source of his knowledge on how to join Da'ar'ar was different – it was in different Da'ar'ar content and videos he watched, while at this stage he was still trying to create the impression that he had acquired this knowledge "on the way" and not out of interest and intention at first:
"I don't choose what I am, as if you can choose what to watch, but within the video itself there are sometimes so many things (pp. 134-135).
Later in his interrogation, he vehemently denied that he had made "a statement. When his words were hurled at him in front of the interrogator Aya, he claimed that she was lying: "This is a lie, it did not exist and was not created..." (pp. 146-147). To the question of why, then, Aya was not accused during her testimony in court that she was lying, he did not answer.